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To say that Marion Nestle is simply a professor at New York University would be a tremendous understatement When it comes to #food policy<\/a> and public #health<\/a> advocacy Dr. Nestle is a guru.\u00a0 She fearlessly and relentlessly pushes food companies and policy makers to think and care about the consumer. She has moxy (just listen to any of her lectures or talks). I was fortunate enough to do an email #interview<\/a> with her to discuss her thoughts about food and talk about the subject of her new book,\u00a0 Soda Politics: Taking on Big Soda (and Winning) ( Oxford University Press, 2015).<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Dr. Nestle, thanks for the opportunity to interview you. My first question is about you.\u00a0 What is your relationship to food and nutrition; what drove you to become a foodie and food policy advocate?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: I\u2019ve always loved to eat!\u00a0 I grew up in New York City at a time when food was scarce and anything but fresh.\u00a0 When I was eight, my parents sent me to a small summer camp in southern Vermont run by a woman who had lived in China for many years and was a fabulous cook.\u00a0 The camp had a large vegetable garden, and if you were a good camper you were chosen to pick the vegetables for dinner.\u00a0 I went out to pick string beans and tasted one.\u00a0 It was a hot July day and the bean was warm, crisp, sweet, and wonderfully flavorful.\u00a0 I had no idea that was what beans were supposed to taste like.\u00a0 I\u2019ve never looked back.\u00a0 I went to college hoping to study food, but the only choices were agriculture (and I was a city girl) or dietetics, which I tried briefly before heading off into science.\u00a0 In the early 1990s I attended a meeting of the National Cancer Institute where anti-smoking advocates gave talks on how cigarettes were marketed to adults and children.\u00a0 I thought we nutritionists ought to be giving talks like that on Coca-Cola.\u00a0 I was tired of going to meetings on childhood obesity where everyone blamed parents and nobody talked about the role of food marketing. That\u2019s what started it.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: In an interview with PBS some years ago you said that after 50 years of nutritional advice, the public was more confused than ever. What about now, nearly 15 years later? Better, worse or the same?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 It never seems to get better, I think because there are so many interests vested in one viewpoint or another.\u00a0 The basic problem is that nutrition research is so wickedly hard to do.\u00a0 It\u2019s really difficult, if not impossible, to use people as experimental animals.\u00a0 To answer questions about how diets and their components affect health, you would need to feed defined diets to an absurdly large number of people for years and keep them locked up in metabolic wards for the whole time.\u00a0 For reasons of practicality, cost, and ethics, you can\u2019t do that.\u00a0 Anything short of that is flawed.\u00a0 Flawed science is uncertain and requires interpretation.\u00a0 Interpretation draws on the minds of interpreters, which gets us into matters of bias.\u00a0 The intellectual challenges of nutrition research are formidable.\u00a0 People working in the field develop a \u201cfeel,\u201d a sixth sense if you will, for interpretation, and hold views based on their experience.\u00a0 But just try and explain the meaning of \u201cfeel\u201d to someone outside the field.\u00a0 I think the problem of \u201cfeel\u201d or overall context explains why committees of nutrition scientists invariably worry about saturated fat and salt, while journalists and other newcomers interpret the research quite differently.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective:\u00a0 Ok, big question: What\u2019s so bad about soda?\u00a0 Can\u2019t you have it in moderation, as the soda companies say?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Of course you can.\u00a0 Nobody is worried about an occasional small soda. \u00a0But think about what you are drinking.\u00a0 A 12-ounce soda contains ten teaspoons of sugars of one kind or another.\u00a0 That\u2019s pretty close to the upper limit of all the sugar you are supposed to have for a day.\u00a0 Sugar has no nutritional value other than calories.\u00a0 People who drink a lot of soda are getting a lot of calories from sugars that are rapidly absorbed into the body.\u00a0 That\u2019s a lot of sugar for metabolism to handle.\u00a0 Some is OK.\u00a0 Less is better.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Food is sexy, and the media love topics that can capture the attention of readers and viewers. I\u2019m wondering if, as a result, we\u2019ve blown the extent of the problems out of proportion. Meaning, should we really be so worried about the foods we eat?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: I wish everyone could just relax, eat reasonably, enjoy what they eat, and not worry so much, but it\u2019s hard to do that in today\u2019s hugely competitive food marketing environment.\u00a0 In this country we have twice as much food as the population needs, and companies have to sell what they produce.\u00a0 They fight for market share.\u00a0 So we are bombarded by advertising, much of it designed not to be noticed as such.\u00a0 For example, food companies have discovered that larger portions sell well but don\u2019t cost much.\u00a0 If I could convey one concept to everyone, it\u2019s that larger portions have more calories.\u00a0 This may seem obvious, but it\u2019s not.\u00a0 I think larger portions are a sufficient reason why we all have so much trouble maintaining weight.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: You\u2019ve drawn comparisons between big soda and big tobacco. How are they similar? And different?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Sodas are not cigarettes, but both industries market unhealthy products, especially to children, minorities, and people in developing countries.\u00a0 They use the same playbook to deflect attention from the harm.\u00a0 The soda industry loves to talk about physical activity and hydration, for example.\u00a0 Both use front groups, lobby, fund community organizations and researchers, and do everything they can to head off public health initiatives or regulations.\u00a0 In some ways, soda is a more complicated target of public health advocacy.\u00a0 With cigarettes it\u2019s one message\u2014don\u2019t smoke\u2014and one goal: put those companies out of business.\u00a0 For sodas, the \u201cdrink less\u201d message is more complicated and the goal is to get the companies to stop some of their current practices, make healthier products, and sell smaller portions\u2014which some of them are trying to do.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: I\u2019ve read that big soda is \u201cbrilliant\u201d in its use of marketing and public relations, and in its political maneuvering \u2013 often at the expense of public health.\u00a0 Can you explain? I realize you wrote an entire book on this subject \u2013 but a brief version? Also, given that this is true, why are soda sales falling in the US?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Coke and Pepsi are companies with a century-old history of learning how to sell sugar-water to large numbers of people.\u00a0 Even though most people can\u2019t tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi in blind taste tests, they strongly prefer one or the other.\u00a0 That\u2019s brilliant marketing.\u00a0 But obesity poses a terrible problem for soda companies; they are part of the problem.\u00a0 They know this.\u00a0 For at least the last ten years, Coca-Cola has listed obesity in its annual reports to the US Securities and Exchange Commission as the number one threat to its profits.\u00a0 Public health advocates advise drinking less soda as the first line of approach to obesity prevention.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: \u00a0New York City\u2019s Sugary Beverage Portion Cap Rule was struck down — defeated in the courts and by public opinion.\u00a0 What did you think of that rule?\u00a0 Do you think the media played a part in swaying public opinion?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 I liked the idea of a cap on serving sizes, but I thought 16 ounces was too big.\u00a0 A 16-ounce soda has about 50 grams of sugars, right at the upper limit of the total amount recommended.\u00a0 In introducing the soda cap rule, the city violated a basic principle of public health advocacy\u2014developing community support for the initiative before it is announced.\u00a0 It just dropped the announcement and surprised everyone.\u00a0 Within seconds, the media interpreted the cap as a ban.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t\u2014you could buy as many 16-ounce sizes as you wanted\u2014but the ban stuck as the frame and that was the end of it.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: You\u2019ve commented that corporations are not social services, and they have an obligation to their shareholders.\u00a0 Can you imagine that companies like Unilever, Coke, Pepsi, Nabisco and General Mills will ever change their tactics?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 They are changing their tactics, at least to the extent that they are making healthier beverages and promoting the 7.5-ounce mini-cans.\u00a0 The small cans cost a lot more and are immensely profitable.\u00a0 That\u2019s what I came to see as the Dr. Jekyll face of Coca-Cola\u2014caring about public health and wanting to be part of the solution to obesity and poor health.\u00a0 At the same time, however, there is the Mr. Hyde part that lobbies, buys research, and shifts its marketing to low-income countries overseas.\u00a0 Coca-Cola, for example, has said it will spend $28 billion on promoting its products in Africa between 2010 and 2020.\u00a0 Think of what that kind of money could do if applied to sustainable development in those countries.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective:\u00a0 Why has the effort to regulate the food industry\u2019s marketing of unhealthy products towards children been so ineffective?\u00a0 I\u2019d think this would be an easy compromise for \u201cbig food.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Are you kidding?\u00a0 It\u2019s the food industry\u2019s line in the sand.\u00a0 They have to market to kids to sell products.\u00a0 Every federal attempt to regulate marketing to kids, even those that just set voluntary standards, has been blown out of the water by food industry opposition.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: What\u2019s your favorite healthy ingredient?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 I like foods, not ingredients.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: What was your breakfast this morning?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 I\u2019m not a breakfast eater and don\u2019t really get hungry until 11:00 or so.\u00a0 At that time I\u2019ll start with cereal and fruit if it\u2019s convenient.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: What\u2019s in your refrigerator and pantry right now?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 I always have milk, eggs, cheese, fruit, nuts, crackers, cereals, and condiments around.\u00a0 I eat out a lot and don\u2019t cook much for myself.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Your last meal would be?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 A really good ice cream with berries, probably.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Your favorite \u201cjunk food?\u201d<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Haagen Dazs vanilla frozen yogurt.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Your worst summer job?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: Working as a sales clerk in the men\u2019s department of a department store in Los Angeles.\u00a0 Boring.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: As a child you wanted to be?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: I grew up in a very poor family and had no idea what my options might be or even that I had choices.<\/p>\n

Please let me know what the following bring to your mind\u2026<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Locally grown foods?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle:\u00a0 Love them.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Artificial sweeteners?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: They taste bad.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Sustainable food?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: I\u2019m for it.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Food additives and preservatives?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: Don\u2019t use them.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective: Nutritional supplements?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: Never touch them.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective:\u00a0 GMO foods?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: Label them.<\/p>\n

Diet Detective:\u00a0 Organic farms?<\/p>\n

Dr. Nestle: Yes.<\/p>\n

Fact Sheet<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Your Website:\u00a0 www.foodpolitics.com<\/p>\n

Location (Where you live)?\u00a0 Lower Manhattan<\/p>\n

What is your current job title?\u00a0 Paulette Goddard Professor of Nutrition, Food Studies, and Public Health at New York University<\/p>\n

Education:\u00a0 University of California Berkeley<\/p>\n

Hometown:\u00a0 New York until age 12, then Los Angeles<\/p>\n

Favorite healthy food and living websites: (Not your own): Civil Eats, CSPI<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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He also has a law degree, and throughout his career has been dedicated to a multidisciplinary approach to academic research, community health interventions and complex health and policy issues, encompassing law, public health, and nutrition. Dr. Platkin has occupied influential roles in public health, notably serving as the Executive Director of the Hunter College NYC Food Policy Center from 2012 to 2023. During this time, he played a pivotal role in shaping food-related policies in New York City. His entrepreneurial leadership extends across multiple sectors: he is the co-founder and strategic advisor to Diversion Books (DiversionBooks.com), a book publishing company; Chief Strategy Officer at PopCom Health (PopComHealth.com); founder and managing director of Magoo Properties (MagooProperties.com); and co-founder and director of MedicalBx (MedicalBx.com), which develops boutique hospitals and mobile medical clinics to enhance healthcare access in underserved areas. His leadership also extended to co-founding and operating organizations like Integrated Wellness Solutions, where he leveraged innovative approaches and technology to enhance health and wellness. He is a powerful advocate for healthier communities and for shaping the field of nutrition and food policy in lasting ways. Dr. Platkin has made significant contributions to the field of public health and nutrition issues through his research. He has published in several peer-reviewed scientific and medical journals, including the Journal of Nutrition Education and Behavior, the Journal of Obesity and Weight Loss, the International Journal of Nutrition and Dietetics, BioMed Central (BMC) Obesity; and the Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. He is the author of eight books. His forthcoming book, Eat to Cheat Death: Using Food as Medicine to Live Better, Live Stronger, Live Healthier, and Live Longer (Simon & Schuster, 2027), synthesizes cutting-edge research on nutrition and longevity. His first book, Breaking the Pattern (Red Mill Press 2002, Plume 2004), was a bestseller in hardcover; it has been used by addiction clinics to assist patients with resolving drug and alcohol-related issues, and more than 20 universities around the country use it as a text to teach behavioral change techniques to nutrition and dietetic counseling interns. His other titles include The Diet Detective's Count Down (Simon and Schuster, 2007), The Diet Detective's Calorie Bargain Bible (Simon and Schuster, 2008), The Diet Detective's Diet Starter Kit (Diversion, 2011), and The Diet Detective's All-American Diet (Rodale, 2012). Charles Platkin's contributions to the fields of health, nutrition, and public policy have earned him recognition and numerous accolades. 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