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Raj Patel is an award-winning author, filmmaker and academic. He is a Research Professor in the Lyndon B Johnson School of Public Affairs<\/a>\u00a0at the University of Texas, Austin.<\/p>\n

He has degrees from the University of Oxford, the London School of Economics, and Cornell University, has worked for the World Bank and WTO, and protested against them around the world. He has testified about the causes of the global food crisis to the US, UK and EU governments and is a member of the\u00a0International Panel of Experts on Sustainable Food Systems<\/a>. In 2016 he was recognized with\u00a0a James Beard Foundation Leadership Award<\/a>.<\/p>\n

In addition to scholarly publications in economics, philosophy, politics and public health journals, he regularly writes for\u00a0The Guardian<\/em>, and has contributed to a range of publications, from the\u00a0Financial Times, to the\u00a0 New York Times, The Mail on Sunday<\/em>,\u00a0The Observer\u00a0<\/em>and the\u00a0Scientific American<\/em>.<\/p>\n

His first book was\u00a0Stuffed and Starved: The Hidden Battle for the World Food System.\u00a0<\/em>His second, \u00a0The Value of Nothing<\/em>, was a New York Times and international best-seller. He is the co-author with Jason W. Moore of\u00a0A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things<\/em>. His acclaimed latest book, co-authored with\u00a0Rupa Marya<\/a>,\u00a0 is entitled\u00a0Inflamed: Deep Medicine and The Anatomy of Injustice<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n

His first film, co-directed with Zak Piper and filmed over the course of a decade in Malawi and the United States, is the award-winning documentary\u00a0The Ants & The Grasshopper<\/a>. He was \u00a0with Mother Jones\u2019 Tom Philpott, and KUT\u2019s Rebecca McInroy, a co-host of the food politics podcast\u00a0The Secret Ingredient<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Center for Food As Medicine (CFAM): <\/strong>What motivated you to get involved with food policy and to become a food policy advocate?<\/p>\n

Raj Patel (RP):\u00a0<\/strong>When I was five years old, my parents took me to India, and while we sat in a car at a stoplight in the monsoon rain, a girl knocked on the window and begged us for money for food. There was an infant in her arms, whose disfigurement and screaming I could see and hear from the inside of the car, despite the rain sheeting down. Soon, I was crying and screaming, my parents pushed a small clip of rupees out of a cracked window, and then the lights changed and we drove off. When I got back to London, I rented out my kindergarten toys, and sent the money to Oxfam. Much of my work since then has been to figure out whether there was any good reason why we were inside the car and they were outside the car. I haven\u2019t found any good reasons, but have found plenty of bad ones.<\/p>\n

CFAM:<\/strong> It seems that all the news we\u2019re hearing these days is negative. And then we start hearing statistics indicating that there will be more plastic than fish in the sea by 2050 and that we are nearing a point of irreversible climate change and need to make serious changes in greenhouse gas emissions before it\u2019s too late. All this leads some people to feel paralyzed and wonder where even to begin. What would you say to someone who feels that way?<\/p>\n

RP: <\/strong>If you feel this way, you\u2019re paying attention and putting together the occasional reports in the media. But what\u2019s reported far less is that there are groups around the world with ideas to confront climate change, and capitalism, whose ideas work<\/em>. Mark Twain\u2019s line, about there being nothing more frustrating than a good example, remains true. There are thousands of good examples, in the US and beyond, that can frustrate our paralysis and pessimism, if only we let them.<\/p>\n

CFAM:<\/strong> Can you explain the relationship between the concept of ‘anthropocene’ [man-centric] and capitalism, and also how this impacts our food system?<\/p>\n

RP: <\/strong>Readers may be familiar with the idea of the Anthropocene, the name for the geological era in which we now find ourselves, which will be marked in the fossil record by radioactivity from nuclear weapons tests, the creatures from the sixth mass extinction, plastic, and the trillions of chicken bones that have been spread across the planet because humans now consume 50 billion of these birds a year. The reason it\u2019s misleading to call it the Anthropocene is that the word means \u2018human era,\u2019 and not all humans are responsible for this era. There are, even today, hundreds of civilizations of humans that haven\u2019t driven the sixth mass extinction. Indigenous communities, according to one report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, can do a far better job of managing resources than either the private or public sector. There\u2019s only one civilization system that has brought about the Anthropocene, and it\u2019s capitalism. Better to name it the Capitalocene, not just so we can ascribe blame properly, but so that we can diagnose and then treat the problem too.<\/p>\n

CFAM: <\/strong>In your most recent book that you co-wrote with Jason Moore, A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things,<\/em> the publisher had the following on its website: \u201cNature, money, work, care, food, energy, and lives: these are the seven things that have made our world and will shape its future. In making these things cheap, modern commerce has transformed, governed, and devastated Earth.\u201d We were wondering, (and we realize you\u2019ve written an entire book on this topic), what we can do to avoid this impending doom in our food system? How do you get the entire world to pay attention? What should\/could each one of us be doing to have an impact?<\/p>\n

CFAM: <\/strong>We do spend a fair bit of time in the book on the struggles \u2013 past and present \u2013 that have helped to shape the food system for the better. More than anything, though, we argue that the movements that point us away from catastrophe are ones that pay attention to class, race, gender, ecology, history and nature. Movements like the international peasant movement, La Via Campesina. Movements like the Movement for Black Lives. Even branches of the union movement are taking seriously the simultaneous predations of capitalism around climate, labor and care work. What\u2019s the most powerful thing we can do as individuals? Stop being individuals and join a movement that puts these ideas of food justice at their heart.<\/p>\n

DD:<\/strong> Is there a city, town, area, community that is doing food \u201cright\u201d – meaning a food system that is working and could be used as a model (also please define what you think is \u201cright\u201d) ?<\/p>\n

CFAM: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been following the work of folks like Malik Yakini at the Detroit Black Community Food Security Network or the activists and academics at the Soils, Food and Healthy Communities project in Northern Malawi for years now. In their systemic approach to food and power, they understand that the problems of the food system can\u2019t be solved simply by farming better. They can only be solved by systemic changes in the way power is distributed. And these groups are working to make sure that distribution is far more equal than it has ever been.<\/p>\n

DD:<\/strong> Clearly, poverty is a major cause of hunger, but since we\u2019re not solving poverty right now, what can we do in the meantime? And does taking these \u201cinterim\u201d steps just obfuscate the overriding issue of poverty? What do you think are the most promising strategies for reducing hunger and fixing our food system? And what can people reading this do right here right now to help?<\/p>\n

CFAM:<\/strong> Although the question \u2018how can I help?\u2019 seems benign, imagine it being said in this context: some muscled up wanker is beating the hell out of an unsuspecting pensioner, with every punch in the face preceded by \u201chow can I help?\u201d. The US government is facilitating poverty, making it hard for millions of Americans to survive it. Anyone wanting to help has to recognize that we have let this happen, that we have a collective culpability for the production of poverty at home and abroad, that we have to organize to stop it.<\/p>\n

CFAM:<\/strong> You previously worked at the World Bank, the World Trade Organization and the United Nations, and you\u2019ve been an outspoken critic of all three since then. What do you think these agencies could be doing differently to actually move the needle on some of the major human rights and food system issues we are currently experiencing? Is it even possible? Why or why not?<\/p>\n

RP: <\/strong>No, neither the Bank nor the WTO are the appropriate vehicle for rights, because that’s not what they were designed for. Sure, you can try to use a rifle as a desk lamp, but it\u2019s generally going to end badly because lamps and guns are designed for different purposes. The Bank was designed as a mechanism to consolidate US strategic objectives at the end of WWII and the WTO emerged out of a process in which its predecessor, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, was explicitly chosen instead of an International Trade Organization, at which worker\u2019s rights would have played a part. In an ideal world, the Bank would both forgive its loans, and pay reparation for the damage it has caused. But getting to that ideal world is the hard part, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

CFAM:<\/strong> What is the one food policy change at the federal level that would have the greatest impact on alleviating hunger throughout the country?<\/p>\n

RP: <\/strong>There isn\u2019t one key to unlocking the food system. How could there be? It\u2019s vital to raise wages not just for food workers, but for those on whose care work they depend. It\u2019s important to protect workers, consumers and the environment from pesticide exposure and to recognize the importance of agroecology for climate change. It\u2019s important to ban the marketing of ultraprocessed food to children, and to end subsidies to commodity agriculture, to stop animal exploitation and the socialization of the cost of the food system. Pick one. And then think about your theory of change to make that happen. All of these policy changes are too big to happen without substantial organizing for *all* of them to happen. So let\u2019s organize for all.<\/p>\n

FACT SHEET<\/strong><\/p>\n

Grew up in:<\/strong> London, UK
\nCity or town you call home:<\/strong> Austin, Texas
\nJob title:<\/strong> Research Professor, Lyndon B Johnson School of Public Affairs, University of Texas at Austin
\nBackground and education:<\/strong> BA University of Oxford, MSc London School of Economics, PhD Cornell University
\nOne word you would use to describe our food system:<\/strong>\u00a0Capitalist
\nFood policy hero:<\/strong> Malik Yakini
\nYour breakfast this morning:<\/strong> Last night\u2019s pizza.
\nFavorite food:<\/strong> Mushrooms!
\nLast meal on Earth:<\/strong> With family and friends and probably too much to drink.<\/p>\n

Favorite food hangout:<\/strong> Any kitchen table.
\nFood policy social media must follow:<\/strong> Marion Nestle<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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